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Post by martoss on Apr 30, 2016 19:20:17 GMT -5
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PMs are going out. @jaysonfour @dragon6860 @jdarksun @ketbra @preda receiving an inactivity warning for skipping the vote. Please notify me if you want to be swapped with a reserve.
@jaysonfour and @dragon6860 to be replaced.
@assuran @ardor @jpants
I need two replacements, please someone PM me for them ASAP
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Post by martoss on Apr 30, 2016 19:25:53 GMT -5
Too lazy to fix the formatting.
As soon as we make the board private we can begin discussing stuff!
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Post by cj iwakura on Apr 30, 2016 21:36:36 GMT -5
Board's private now. If Gizzy's making all those helpful claims and Invictus isn't making any, we could give Gizzy room to see if she's legit and let poison handle itself if not.
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Post by lostninja on Apr 30, 2016 21:40:57 GMT -5
So you want her poisoned tonight, or just to wait and see if she can cure aura?
Also as far as death seer: I'd still like confirmation on demon just so we can say we know. I guess we could double check Phyphor too, but I don't think anything would be gained by checking after anyone else.
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Post by martoss on Apr 30, 2016 21:43:29 GMT -5
I think Phyphor would make a great target. If he is revealed to be true mafia, that gives us reason to suspect the King doesn't it?
Also weren't we going to get someone to see DemonIzual? He seems pretty important too.
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Post by martoss on Apr 30, 2016 21:45:45 GMT -5
And by suspect the King I mean Virgil of course.
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Post by cj iwakura on Apr 30, 2016 21:47:18 GMT -5
I'd say she should definitely get poisoned tonight. If she's proven false, she'll be gone tomorrow. If she's legit, then she can cure herself(hopefully).
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Post by H3Knuckles on Apr 30, 2016 21:53:46 GMT -5
I could go either way on corpse seering. I feel like phyphor and virgil's claims at this point are probably legit, but I don't know what LostNinja is hoping to learn from seering Deamon unless he thinks someone has a way to disguise once corpse as another. The fact that Deamon used Cagnazzo's dieing revenge spell and quote to take Zombie Hero/Asura down the next day reinforces it. Edit: CJ, are you using FuSoYa's picture because that's who you are, or just because it looks cool? Edit 2: reposted as per Martoss' request: Let's not forget the stone type thing. Bedlam (Cecil, and thus villager) was chert, J4P was chert. I think this means J4P is probably a villager. Auralynx (no details on character/role) and Virgil (claims miller/death miller monster as King of Eblan) were each a different type of stone, so if Virgil's honest then Auralynx is either mafia, summoned monster, or some kind of neutral. More importantly, given the scattershot nature of who's been stoned, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Palom being the stoner (unless Auralynx is a summon, then the stoner's definitely mafia). He can learn the appropriate black magic spell in game, plus one of the twincast spells with Porom stones enemies in some versions of the game, the twins stone themselves at one point in the plot, and he could just have bad judgement on who to target like most of our vigs have had. Also, who claimed survival neutral, was it Infidel? He was Kain, who switches sides several times cannonically due to brainwashing, so not being expressly mafia/villager makes sense but survival neutral would be a weird choice. But he colors as his own faction and since the summoned monsters even corpse seer separate from villagers (unlike the monster millers) I don't think corpse seering Infidel will tell us anything. Which brings me to my next point, who the hell do I corpse seer next? Any corpse is valid, which gives us: - Sir Fabulous (serialkillingway - independent - serial killer roleblocked by Raiden before killing me, voted)
- DeamonIzual (Cagnazzo - mafia - revenge killed Zombie Hero's Asura, voted)
- SLyM (Kory the astronomer - villager - unknown power, slain by BrOdin)
- Bedlam (Cecil - villager - probably guard, impaled by Infidel/Kain)
- McKid (Tellah - villager - unknown power, obliterated by Megafrost/Bahamut)
- KetBra (Sheilah, Yang's wife - villager - maybe reviver, voted)
- Preda (Rosa - villager - white mage, Redwinged)
- Megafrost (Bahamut - summoned monster - vigilante, Redwinged)
- Zombie Hero (Asura - summoned monster - probably healer, revenge killed by Deamon/Cagnazzo)
- Phyphor (Queen of Eblan - alleged miller monster villager - royal decree, poisoned by our very own Martoss)
- Infidel (Kain - who the fuck knows - impaler, poisoned by unknown player/character)
Past corpse seers: - Cythraul - Mom Bomb - death announced as Mom Bomb, corpse seered as Mom Bomb
- Brody - Odin (hereafter known as BrOdin) - death announced as Odin, corpse seered as Odin
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Post by martoss on Apr 30, 2016 22:01:03 GMT -5
I think Gizzy was given a chance to prove her curing abilities by curing Auralnyx. In that respect I'll be poisoning someone flying under the radar. SeGaTai in this case. But I'n willing to switch if we all think that's best.
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Post by H3Knuckles on Apr 30, 2016 22:12:06 GMT -5
I find it super interesting Invictus isn't going to vote for Gizzy despite her being his best bet for avoiding the vote atm.
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Post by cj iwakura on Apr 30, 2016 22:13:19 GMT -5
A little of both, heh. I'm not sure I see what good corpse seering does... but since Kain's such a giant ?, maybe him.
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Post by H3Knuckles on Apr 30, 2016 22:22:37 GMT -5
Yeah, at this point it really does seem like it's just for confirming who was a miller/death miller. Phyphor is the only one I know will tell us something, albeit something we already believe; if LostNinja is right that phyphor is on the up and up, then it also adds weight to Virgil's claim of being friendly and going by statue materials would limit Auralynx to mafia, summoned, or yet another faction we haven't seen evidence of so far.
Edit: Of course, I'm leaving out the possibility that 38thDoe is being a huge dick and the stone types are completely randomly assigned. But I can' shake the feeling that 2-1-1 means there's a pattern.
I'd love to know what Infidel/Kain's deal is, but I fear that if I seer him it'll just go like when I seered Brody's corpse and give us his unique darker blue again. I think we'll have to wait till the post mortem to learn what was going on there.
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Post by lostninja on Apr 30, 2016 22:27:50 GMT -5
A little of both, heh. I'm not sure I see what good corpse seering does... but since Kain's such a giant ?, maybe him. This is why the appearance of two is so iffy. It really is just there to confirm the millers, so not really and need for a second one. I agree with the plan to let the vote take Invictus and poisoning someone questionable. SeGaTai sounds good. Would really like to find out who's doing the stoning and second poisoning. Last night was quiet on both those fronts though.
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Post by H3Knuckles on Apr 30, 2016 22:31:37 GMT -5
McKid might've been one (died on day two). Tellah as a sage has white and black magic; initially he can only remember a few spells, but has a skill that randomly "remembers" something better (later he regains all his spells though). Since both effects can be caused by black magic spells, his death on day two would explain fewer victims on day 3.
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Post by H3Knuckles on Apr 30, 2016 23:55:48 GMT -5
Okay, so I've written up chronological lists of the voting for days 1 & 2. When I can think of how best to format running tally changes I'll format it for posting over on the official thread and make one big mega post of days 1-3 (three lists in separate spoilers like I wrote for jdark). Unless you guys can think of a reason not to condense information already freely available for everyone?
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Post by raiden333 on May 1, 2016 0:27:04 GMT -5
Ok just caught up with the thread. Looks like Invictus is eating the vote. Anyone have a better suggestion than Gizzy for my roleblock? I kinda trust ahava's gut suspicions, based on my own gut alone. Plus as far as I can tell Gizzy hasn't reached out to anyone we've confirmed as good.
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Post by martoss on May 1, 2016 0:45:51 GMT -5
I believe Gizzy claimed to LostNinja she would cure Auralnyx's poisoning, so maybe don't roleblock her so that we can see if she is telling the truth?
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Post by raiden333 on May 1, 2016 1:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by lostninja on May 1, 2016 8:40:51 GMT -5
Yeah, she reached out to me. Maybe roleblock someone who's been flying under the radar.
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Post by martoss on May 1, 2016 12:54:31 GMT -5
Well we're going to get confirmation a lot quicker than we'd like if the vote goes the way it is. And Auralynx will be dieing of poison. I smell a mafia push here.
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Post by lostninja on May 1, 2016 13:22:19 GMT -5
Well we're going to get confirmation a lot quicker than we'd like if the vote goes the way it is. And Auralynx will be dieing of poison. I smell a mafia push here. Same. And I was a little suspicious of the replacements like premium as is. Dut to the lack of stoning a and poisoning from our second poisoner that occured the night before they jumped in.
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Post by H3Knuckles on May 1, 2016 15:30:43 GMT -5
Going back through the posts to make my list, jdark made an early post implying he was a dwarf. Similarly Auralynx was stoned so long I feel like all we really have to go on is that they were a different stone type from bedlam, j4p, or Virgil. I do think invictus' and gizzy's vote changes on Day 2 were odd, combined with the fact both waited till the end then gizzy targeted invictus which suggests either gizzy knew they weren't on the same side, or that she wanted to not appear to be voting for KetBra (ie Gizzy somehow knew KetBra was a villager) and chose invictus as an alternative thinking it would draw less attention (since even with her vote he was still behind by a couple). Edit: was apparently getting cross-eyed after finishing my big list post on the actual thread. see my later posts there on gizzy/inv. I'm with you guys and others that neither really seems very compelling to me.
As for the attacks slacking off when they have: On day 2 there was only one Red Wing bombing, but two each on days 1 & 3; was this because of a guard action, role block, or because a member or 2 of the mafia were missing? Wildcat and SeGaTai both missed voting d2, but lonelyahava replaced Wildcat for d3 and SeGaTai voted that day.
There were 2 petrifications a day until none on day 3. jdarksun was active days 1 & 2, but missed voting day 3. Could one person be given the ability to stone two targets a day? Another thought is Justice for Pluto. Because he was chert like Bedlam's Cecil I'm pretty sure he's a hero, but there are way more ways for the heroes to petrify than enemy characters or types in FFIV, and what if a target got reflected back to him (I mean there's a whole boss fight built around how wall/reflect works in FFIV) or bus driven onto him? Apparently Barbariccia has an ability to petrify (I'd totally forgotten this, but fact-checking the immediate and gradual effects shows she's the only noteworthy enemy with it), so if both petrifications each day are being caused by one player then they're her.
Our very own Martoss is a poisoner, and poisoned Grunt's Ghosts day 1 (which I wanna say was overhealed by preda and ?) and Phyphor day 2 (which no one healed leading to phyphor's death). But Auralynx was poisoned day 1 or day 3 (assuming that since healing stone takes place before attacks, as evidenced by Bedlam's softening and immediate impaling, and assuming that poison is applied during the attacks), and someone poisoned Infidel day 2. Did anyone else claim to be poisoned that would have gotten it from day 1 actions (to confirm Auralynx getting it d3 after healing)? If not, then jdarksun looks promising because he was active day 2, and only missed 1 of the other two days. Whoever is the second poisoner is probably Scarmiglione (the earth archfiend), as one of his second form's few abilities can cause poison. Oddly he can't petrify though.
Granted, voting activity is no sure lock on whether or not they got a PM off to 38th to target their action, and it's not like they HAVE to use them every day so looking for gaps to line up isn't the best method, but it's suggestive at the very least.
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Post by raiden333 on May 1, 2016 15:39:40 GMT -5
I still suspect Kime is up to no good, thinking about aiming my roleblock at him.
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Post by lostninja on May 1, 2016 16:13:10 GMT -5
This Gizzy wagon is getting really suspect.
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Post by martoss on May 1, 2016 16:15:41 GMT -5
I agree that Kime seems shifty, but DemonIzual was the last to vote for Kime on day one. That makes him seem at the least not mafia to me.
Also out of curiosity, who have you roleblocked the previous few nights Raiden?
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Post by martoss on May 1, 2016 16:17:08 GMT -5
This Gizzy wagon is getting really suspect. 100% agree.
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Post by lostninja on May 1, 2016 16:21:01 GMT -5
Who's down for throwing votes down on one of those on the Gizzy wagon? Premium, JFP, or Chamberlain seem the most suspect to me.
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Post by martoss on May 1, 2016 16:27:55 GMT -5
I feel like those guys will be great targets for next night, but for now I feel like saving Gizzy/Voting out Invictus are our best options.
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Post by raiden333 on May 1, 2016 16:28:46 GMT -5
I agree that Kime seems shifty, but DemonIzual was the last to vote for Kime on day one. That makes him seem at the least not mafia to me. Also out of curiosity, who have you roleblocked the previous few nights Raiden? First night I aimed it at Sir Fab, out of grudginess, in case he survived the vote somehow. Night 2 I didn't aim it at anyone, because I didn't have any suspicions. Night 3 I aimed it at Invictus per LN's request, but the order was timestamped 7:00 sharp (in my defense LN requested it less than 10m before vote close ), so I don't think it worked. Totally open for suggestions for who to aim at tonight.
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Post by lostninja on May 1, 2016 16:46:39 GMT -5
Dumb question, but do the mafia usually get two kills as a group, or one as a group and one of them has an extra kill? For some reason I always think it's the latter.
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